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How states are trying to fix benefit cliffs | Josh Bandoch

Written by Defending Ideas

October 20, 2026

How are states trying to tackle benefit cliffs?

In this episode of Defending Ideas, Josh Bandoch of the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity (FREOPP) discusses his new report looking into what states are doing to address the benefit cliff problem. Bandoch and host Nic Dunn also explore what’s missing from the national debate over welfare reform and why a successful safety net should be more than a way to prevent hardship. It should, instead, help people build better lives.

Show Notes:
How States Can Solve Benefit Cliffs: A Comprehensive Approach to Supporting Upward Mobility by Josh Bandoch

The Safety Net We’d Build Today: Empowerment Accounts as a State-Led Pilot Concept by Nic Dunn

Defending Ideas is a weekly podcast produced by Sutherland Institute. On this show we are committed to renewing the principles of common sense conservatism, equipping listeners to become more effective champions of sound principle and good policy. Visit defendingideas.org.

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