Comments on: Opposition to HB 363 has more to do with ideology than facts http://sutherlandinstitute.org/news/2012/03/21/opposition-to-hb-363-has-more-to-do-with-ideology-than-facts/ News and views on Utah public policy Tue, 18 Jun 2013 22:18:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: JBT http://sutherlandinstitute.org/news/2012/03/21/opposition-to-hb-363-has-more-to-do-with-ideology-than-facts/#comment-1604 JBT Sat, 24 Mar 2012 16:35:00 +0000 http://www.sutherlandinstitute.org/news_old/?p=2848#comment-1604  ”…all we did is report the data”.  It is more like all we did was spin the data to fit our preconceived position.

“It’s either “abstinence-only” or “abstinence-based. . .”  Why then does Mero use the term “contraception based” in the article above?  It couldn’t be to mislead, could it? 

The fact is that the way the statute is written there are NO real comprehensive sex education programs in the state that stress or encourage the use of protection for teens who become sexually active in spite of teaching in the home and or church.  It is this population that is sorely in need of this factual information.  Since this pool of students cannot be identified and singled out for instruction, it must be made available to all students with the consent of their parents. 

Parental choice is one of the core issues in this debate.  What gives the Sutherland Institute the right to prescribe what information about human sexuality my children have available to them in public schools?

]]> By: JBT http://sutherlandinstitute.org/news/2012/03/21/opposition-to-hb-363-has-more-to-do-with-ideology-than-facts/#comment-1758 JBT Sat, 24 Mar 2012 16:35:00 +0000 http://www.sutherlandinstitute.org/news_old/?p=2848#comment-1758  ”…all we did is report the data”.  It is more like all we did was spin the data to fit our preconceived position.

“It’s either “abstinence-only” or “abstinence-based. . .”  Why then does Mero use the term “contraception based” in the article above?  It couldn’t be to mislead, could it? 

The fact is that the way the statute is written there are NO real comprehensive sex education programs in the state that stress or encourage the use of protection for teens who become sexually active in spite of teaching in the home and or church.  It is this population that is sorely in need of this factual information.  Since this pool of students cannot be identified and singled out for instruction, it must be made available to all students with the consent of their parents. 

Parental choice is one of the core issues in this debate.  What gives the Sutherland Institute the right to prescribe what information about human sexuality my children have available to them in public schools?

]]> By: Matthew Piccolo http://sutherlandinstitute.org/news/2012/03/21/opposition-to-hb-363-has-more-to-do-with-ideology-than-facts/#comment-1603 Matthew Piccolo Sat, 24 Mar 2012 16:13:00 +0000 http://www.sutherlandinstitute.org/news_old/?p=2848#comment-1603 How do you know that all those who had STDs or pregnancies weren’t wearing condoms? It’s unlikely that all of them were, but the point is that you have no more evidence to support your position than you claim I don’t have for mine.

]]> By: Matthew Piccolo http://sutherlandinstitute.org/news/2012/03/21/opposition-to-hb-363-has-more-to-do-with-ideology-than-facts/#comment-1757 Matthew Piccolo Sat, 24 Mar 2012 16:13:00 +0000 http://www.sutherlandinstitute.org/news_old/?p=2848#comment-1757 How do you know that all those who had STDs or pregnancies weren’t wearing condoms? It’s unlikely that all of them were, but the point is that you have no more evidence to support your position than you claim I don’t have for mine.

]]> By: JBT http://sutherlandinstitute.org/news/2012/03/21/opposition-to-hb-363-has-more-to-do-with-ideology-than-facts/#comment-1602 JBT Sat, 24 Mar 2012 01:05:00 +0000 http://www.sutherlandinstitute.org/news_old/?p=2848#comment-1602  Until the statistics compare districts with closely similar demographics who are teaching abstinence only sex education versus a more comprehensive sex education the conclusions drawn by the Sutherland Institute are meaningless. 

There is another factor that is being completely ignored in this discussion, and that is the fact that the way the current law is written regarding the teaching about contraceptives THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS “CONTRACEPTIVE BASED SEX EDUCATION” IN THIS STATE.  Anyone who has taken the time to read the statute would know that.

The fact is that Utah’s students need more facts and information, not less.  Herbert vetoed a very short sighted bill.  According to Sutherland’s own statistics in 2010 there were 2,148 unwanted teen pregnancies, and 1,829 cases of chlamydia.  My question Matt Piccollo is how many cases of each would there have been had these sexually active teens used a condom?

]]> By: JBT http://sutherlandinstitute.org/news/2012/03/21/opposition-to-hb-363-has-more-to-do-with-ideology-than-facts/#comment-1756 JBT Sat, 24 Mar 2012 01:05:00 +0000 http://www.sutherlandinstitute.org/news_old/?p=2848#comment-1756  Until the statistics compare districts with closely similar demographics who are teaching abstinence only sex education versus a more comprehensive sex education the conclusions drawn by the Sutherland Institute are meaningless. 

There is another factor that is being completely ignored in this discussion, and that is the fact that the way the current law is written regarding the teaching about contraceptives THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS “CONTRACEPTIVE BASED SEX EDUCATION” IN THIS STATE.  Anyone who has taken the time to read the statute would know that.

The fact is that Utah’s students need more facts and information, not less.  Herbert vetoed a very short sighted bill.  According to Sutherland’s own statistics in 2010 there were 2,148 unwanted teen pregnancies, and 1,829 cases of chlamydia.  My question Matt Piccollo is how many cases of each would there have been had these sexually active teens used a condom?

]]> By: Matthew Piccolo http://sutherlandinstitute.org/news/2012/03/21/opposition-to-hb-363-has-more-to-do-with-ideology-than-facts/#comment-1601 Matthew Piccolo Fri, 23 Mar 2012 21:56:00 +0000 http://www.sutherlandinstitute.org/news_old/?p=2848#comment-1601 It’s either “abstinence-only” or “abstinence-based,” the latter which includes instruction in contraception. The “STDs at a Glance” presentation mentions “barrier methods,” “condoms,” and “diaphragms.”

By the way, we didn’t do a study, all we did is report the data.

]]> By: Matthew Piccolo http://sutherlandinstitute.org/news/2012/03/21/opposition-to-hb-363-has-more-to-do-with-ideology-than-facts/#comment-1755 Matthew Piccolo Fri, 23 Mar 2012 21:56:00 +0000 http://www.sutherlandinstitute.org/news_old/?p=2848#comment-1755 It’s either “abstinence-only” or “abstinence-based,” the latter which includes instruction in contraception. The “STDs at a Glance” presentation mentions “barrier methods,” “condoms,” and “diaphragms.”

By the way, we didn’t do a study, all we did is report the data.

]]> By: Ty http://sutherlandinstitute.org/news/2012/03/21/opposition-to-hb-363-has-more-to-do-with-ideology-than-facts/#comment-1600 Ty Fri, 23 Mar 2012 21:40:00 +0000 http://www.sutherlandinstitute.org/news_old/?p=2848#comment-1600 A good contact would be 
Sherrie Ahlstrom   (435) – 277- 2460. 

I did a quick search and could not find the word “contraceptive” in the STD presentation.

Tooele County School District certainly doesn’t have a “contraceptive-based” curriculum either. You allude that there are two groups for the study. One that teaches only abstinence (which I would argue that TCSD would be a part of) and another that teaches contraceptive-based curricula (even though I question this as accurate description). I would have to infer that this study has little credibility if you can not even assign a member to a group correctly. 

]]> By: Ty http://sutherlandinstitute.org/news/2012/03/21/opposition-to-hb-363-has-more-to-do-with-ideology-than-facts/#comment-1754 Ty Fri, 23 Mar 2012 21:40:00 +0000 http://www.sutherlandinstitute.org/news_old/?p=2848#comment-1754 A good contact would be 
Sherrie Ahlstrom   (435) – 277- 2460. 

I did a quick search and could not find the word “contraceptive” in the STD presentation.

Tooele County School District certainly doesn’t have a “contraceptive-based” curriculum either. You allude that there are two groups for the study. One that teaches only abstinence (which I would argue that TCSD would be a part of) and another that teaches contraceptive-based curricula (even though I question this as accurate description). I would have to infer that this study has little credibility if you can not even assign a member to a group correctly. 

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