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	<title>Comments on: Taxpayer tab for UVU employee’s California adventure: $2K</title>
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		<title>By: Matthew Piccolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Piccolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The point is that spending $2,000 for a three-day training in California is exorbitant.  Certainly, job training is good and necessary for many state employees, but I hope we can agree that using a state-owned vehicle to go to Disneyland is inappropriate.  Beyond that, spending $828 for gas when a round-trip plane ticket is available for $225 is quite unreasonable.  I understand that the fear of flying is a real problem for some people, but if this particular employee really needed to attend the conference he or she could have rented an economy car from a private company for, likely, $20-30/day using about $100 in gas each way, which totals anywhere from $260-290 for the entire trip.  Just a rough estimate, but you get the idea.

Further, $180 for meals for three days?  That&#039;s $60/day for meals -- quite unnecessary, especially considering that most conferences, at least the ones I&#039;ve attended, include most meals with the conference registration fee.  Finally, $914.10 for three nights in a hotel amounts to $304.70 per night.  Look up the Hotel at Marriott&#039;s Newport Coast and you&#039;ll see why it was so expensive.  I don&#039;t expect state employees to stay in a Super 8, but $100-150 per night would provide more than adequate accommodations for just about anyone.

By the way, you can very easily take a trip to Europe and visit multiple countries over a period of 1-2 weeks for as little as $1,500 per person, or another $500-1000 more for better travel, food, and accommodations.  I&#039;ve done it several times.  

The larger point is that state-owned property, and tax dollars, in general, should be used carefully and sparingly.  I like to assume the best of people, and that we are using our public resources efficiently, but when I hear stories like this one I start to become a little skeptical.  Don&#039;t you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point is that spending $2,000 for a three-day training in California is exorbitant.  Certainly, job training is good and necessary for many state employees, but I hope we can agree that using a state-owned vehicle to go to Disneyland is inappropriate.  Beyond that, spending $828 for gas when a round-trip plane ticket is available for $225 is quite unreasonable.  I understand that the fear of flying is a real problem for some people, but if this particular employee really needed to attend the conference he or she could have rented an economy car from a private company for, likely, $20-30/day using about $100 in gas each way, which totals anywhere from $260-290 for the entire trip.  Just a rough estimate, but you get the idea.</p>
<p>Further, $180 for meals for three days?  That&#8217;s $60/day for meals &#8212; quite unnecessary, especially considering that most conferences, at least the ones I&#8217;ve attended, include most meals with the conference registration fee.  Finally, $914.10 for three nights in a hotel amounts to $304.70 per night.  Look up the Hotel at Marriott&#8217;s Newport Coast and you&#8217;ll see why it was so expensive.  I don&#8217;t expect state employees to stay in a Super 8, but $100-150 per night would provide more than adequate accommodations for just about anyone.</p>
<p>By the way, you can very easily take a trip to Europe and visit multiple countries over a period of 1-2 weeks for as little as $1,500 per person, or another $500-1000 more for better travel, food, and accommodations.  I&#8217;ve done it several times.  </p>
<p>The larger point is that state-owned property, and tax dollars, in general, should be used carefully and sparingly.  I like to assume the best of people, and that we are using our public resources efficiently, but when I hear stories like this one I start to become a little skeptical.  Don&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: UVUfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>UVUfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And your point is???? that the taxpayers paid $2,000 to TRAIN an employee???? whom in turn should be better to serve the tax payers that attend UVU (or their spouse, kids....). What do you think? that knowledge suddenly appears from mid-air? Also, did you even consider that as UVU is an accredited university, that they most likely have to send people to conferences as it is part of the accreditation/re-accreditation process?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And your point is???? that the taxpayers paid $2,000 to TRAIN an employee???? whom in turn should be better to serve the tax payers that attend UVU (or their spouse, kids&#8230;.). What do you think? that knowledge suddenly appears from mid-air? Also, did you even consider that as UVU is an accredited university, that they most likely have to send people to conferences as it is part of the accreditation/re-accreditation process?</p>
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		<title>By: JMBell</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMBell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 18:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great - Based on this analysis I propose that the Utah Legislative Delegation swim to their Hawaii meeting. Don&#039;t you guys have some gay folks or non-Mormons to go make laws against? Seems odd that you&#039;ve taken the time to run down this little tidbit about an government employee who is afraid to fly, but don&#039;t seem to notice the irony of your terror of non-white, non Christians. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great &#8211; Based on this analysis I propose that the Utah Legislative Delegation swim to their Hawaii meeting. Don&#8217;t you guys have some gay folks or non-Mormons to go make laws against? Seems odd that you&#8217;ve taken the time to run down this little tidbit about an government employee who is afraid to fly, but don&#8217;t seem to notice the irony of your terror of non-white, non Christians. </p>
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